Wyoming Drops 14 States From Reciprocity

[Broadhead]

CO's sole requirement for recognizing another state's permit is that the other state recognizes the CO permit, so WY permits will no longer be good here.

Open carry, including in the vehicle, is legal in WY, so one is not required to travel unarmed there.

[Harley Quinn]

Good for them, substance abuse means you are under the influence and should not be carring in the first place!

Geez, some of you need to go to school and realize what is good and what is bad! These folks that get popped need to lose the rights that good czn's have.

Give me a break folks

Regards

[Pat McCoy]

Substance abuse when you were 19, in the Summer of Love - 1968, should hardly be a disqualifier today. Most states use a 3 to 5 year rule, which makes sense.

[SMMAssociates]

Harley:

I think you misunderstand....

If somebody is a current drug user/abuser, then, fine. They shouldn't be carrying, and if they manage to get arrested/cited, and thus lose their rights, well, nobody here is going to get too upset. (I won't get into the "legalize" issues - right now it's illegal, so....)

However, there are two things happening here in Wyoming:

1. Most of the States that were accepted in WY no longer are - which could make a criminal out of somebody who just happened to be visiting there when this was announced. This is right? While the argument that they are just aligning their requirements with other states that issue licenses may be meaningful, there are a lot of states where the only difference may be drug offenses.

2. The drug offenses themselves seem to be set up as "zero tolerance = zero thinking" issues. Here in OH, as mentioned before, while it is now possible to seal such convictions, the basic premise is "no drug convictions of any kind, ever!" I'm 62. I was in college during the great "everybody's smoking it" period while still under 21. I never touched the stuff, but only by the grace of God.... However, the guy standing beside me over here at the Sheriff's Department's "drop your application here" desk DID, and he paid the County $150 & costs (or got it from his parents), and never went near it again. He's locked out FOR LIFE, and I could have a bunch of alcohol-related DUI's and skate.... It's not about fairness as much as common sense. A guy (or gal) who's been "clean" for 40 years shouldn't have any problems.... (Or 20 years, or ten, or....) Some states understand that, and some don't....

Here in OH, our friendly politidiots loaded the CHL law (and the application process) with a bunch of gotchas that can make criminals out of Law Abiding Citizens for factual errors on the application. Not to mention going into a restaurant that serves alcohol and not noticing it. Or using the school's parking lot to drop off or pick up your kids while there's a gun in the car. (That one was changed last September, but you still can't drop off your spouse or significant other if he/she works there!) (I could go on, but I won't.)

The zero-tolerance drug thing, without reference to how old the arrest is, and the offender's record since then, is just another infringement.... Get popped for alcohol DUI yesterday and they don't care....

The good news is that this all may be moot. The new "stimulus" bill contains a section wherein all your medical records, retroactive to who knows when, must now be supplied to the Government, who will be making decisions on whether or not you pass the NICS test based on them. If you were ever prescribed a psychoactive drug, you may be out in the cold, too.... This is a repeat of what they tried to do to Veterans last year, but it now covers EVERYBODY.... Not to mention the A/G's ability to put anybody at all, for no reason at all (like being an NRA member) on the terrorist list. There's no way to get off that list, either....

Regards,

[Harley Quinn]

I guess I did not understand the complications of it all

Regards

[waynesan]

Very good post SMMAssociates. Thanks for taking the time.

[SMMAssociates]

Harley:

I wasn't trying to jump on you.... (Much ) The problem is that zero-tolerance laws don't recognize that there are "degrees" - both in terms of the nature of the crime (in this case), or how long ago it was. Lautenberg is an excellent example. Again, at 62, with 33 years of marriage, maybe I bounced a skillet off the wife's head in 1976, and took the misdemeanor just to avoid the hassle of proving that she bounced one off me instead (or too ). Lots of LEO's and Military types did stuff like that - for all kinds of reasons. 20+ years later, Lautenberg comes along, and I'm disqualified.... Say what? Zero tolerance again....

(For the guy out there who's saying: "If I'd known that, I'd have used a bigger skillet, SHAME ON YOU! )

What's happening here is the same old "if so-and-so in TX shot somebody, you, in CA, shouldn't be allowed to have a gun." Maybe you shouldn't, but we really need to do a better evaluation than "he once visited a 'head shop'".... Or went to the doctors....

(I was in Haight-Ashbury in 1967, the following year.... Missed all the fun. But the kids were hurting nobody but themselves. Disregarding the drug issue, it reminded me of the line that "there are some people out there who are staying up nights because they're afraid that somebody is having fun...." )

Regards,

[stevelyn]

Rather than screech about the proper interpretation of a law (apparently) as a tinfoil conspiracy by evil government, perhaps the law should be changed?

WildnawthatwouldentaileffortAlaska TM

"Specifically, Wyo. Stat. Ann. § 6-8-104(b)(v) prohibits issuance of a permit to any person who has been convicted of a controlled substance violation, felony or misdemeanor in any jurisdiction. Most other states’ analogous
statutes do not."

Ahh......and there lies the real challenge.

If this were purely a gun issue changing the law would probably be pretty easy. But drugs are thrown into the mix and that will make it difficult or impossible to change because no one wants to be seen as "permissive" toward drug use even if the law is unjust.

[Steve48]

I guess I'll stay out of Wyoming!!

[Harley Quinn]

Just don't ccw Steve48.

I am not sure it is against their laws to hunt with a rifle or have a pistol in your car locked up correctly No CCW though!

I still am not sure if I totally follow the logic some are saying, if you beat your wife and have a domestic incident. Firearms are tough to come by, and CCW is a no no! Rifle, Shotgun, is your rescue situation

To bad!

[KsThumper]

The Wyoming AG has reversed the decision.

http://attorneygeneral.state.wy.us/dci/CWP.html

The Wyoming Attorney General’s Office is undertaking a thorough review of the concealed carry statutes of the 49 other states to determine which states have laws similar to Wyoming’s. Once that review is complete, this website will feature a list of the states from which Wyoming will honor concealed carry permits. Until then, the Division of Criminal Investigation will honor permits from those states with which Wyoming had reciprocity as of January 1, 2009.

Accordingly, Wyoming will continue to recognize concealed firearm permits from the following states. The listing also encompasses those states that have indicated they honor Wyoming permits.

Alaska Louisiana Oklahoma
Alabama Michigan Pennsylvania
Colorado Mississippi South Carolina
Florida Montana South Dakota
Georgia New Hampshire Tennessee
Idaho New Mexico Texas
Indiana Ohio Utah Kentucky

Rev: 02-19-2009


http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...hanging-8.html

[Johnny Dollar]

Great news!

The Wyoming AG has reversed the decision.

THR member wyocarp, was very instrumental in helping to effect this change.
Thank you,wyocarp for the attention you drew to the issue and all the phone calls, emails and letters you elicited.

[Harley Quinn]

So that put CA permits in the toilet??? I don't think so scooter

Most CCW's in CA are LEO...Very few get to carry like them or the Retired ones...

I believe there is another "Federal law" that allows all of those that are retired and fill the bill to carry, to be able to do so, in all states!

See what the new admin will do to that one

Those who for certain reasons are allowed to carry have numerous restrictions. Those who are carring on the observable side of the law need not come to CA with them on

[Catherine]

Good news on the change!

Thanks for the update.

Catherine

[Seminole]

Good news! Now I can go through with my plans to go to WY this summer.

But doesn't it seem that this:

The Wyoming Attorney General’s Office is undertaking a thorough review of the concealed carry statutes of the 49 other states to determine which states have laws similar to Wyoming’s.

is an admission that absolutely no thought went into the recent decision to not recognize those other state's permits? How embarrassing!

[Johnny Dollar]

is an admission that absolutely no thought went into the recent decision to not recognize those other state's permits? How embarrassing!

ABSOLUTELY.That's why the deluge of correspondence pointing out their lack of foresight made them back off and suspend this change.(I'm using polite language to stay on THR. )
And and in Wyoming,because of its small population the Reps,Senators,all politicians are very close to the people, and folks have a huge affect on their thinking because of this factor.
People pointed out losses of tourism and hunter revenue in addition to the fact that the ruling was just plain not thought out.(PC again,sorry!)
Anyway,Wyoming moves forward and don't expect another reversal.
Cheyenne seems to have gotten the message.

[230RN]

Thank you all!

Another group to sort of "hold in reserve" for contacting if these jockomos start that up again is the Cheyenne Frontier Days organization. I don't know exactly who puts it on, but here's a sample:

http://www.wyomingtourism.org/cms/d/CFD2007.php

Here is a rundown on the stars they have lined up for Cheyenne Frontier Days 2009:

http://www.oldwestnewwest.com/things...r-line-up.html

And I'm sure there's a Rodeo Association somewhere that might be interested in knowing about this.

I gotta laugh at this logo, in light of the whole issue:



All the above, just to keep this idea in reserve.... although it might be a good idea to warn these organizations to be prepared to respond if "Wyoming" (in the form of the AG or the Governor) tries this crap again.

Terry, 230RN

PS. I was ready to come home and fire off some letters to the AG and other contact points listed in the previous posts but took a long-overdue and well-deserved nap. When I woke up and updated myself on this issue, I discovered that "Wyoming" had backtracked on it... So I'm just waiting, ready to send off letters if the issue arises again.

Are there any efforts to persuade the Legislature to change the wording of the law to block this crap forever?

I just wish Coloradans had been this alert and energetic when Colorado changed its law so that non-resident CCWs from other States would no longer be recognized.

"Ahh, but it doesn't affect me, personally, so why the bleep should I care?" seemed to be the attitude of Colorado gunnies.

They rely on that attitude to slip it into you. So now there's no point in me getting a Utah permit to keep in reserve in case I lose my wallet... with my resident Colorado permit in it.

Frankly, I'm a little browned off at Colorado gunnies for allowing this to happen two years ago.

Congratulations, Wyoming gunnies!

TAT

[Harley Quinn]

It really is not that hard to understand not honoring another states ideas.

Many states are truly screwed up in the thinking that goes on.

It is the Fed. Gov't that has to set the rules for those who are able to carry I would think, after all they set the rules for buying, from state to state they can change (harsher but not easier).

But states have rights just like humans Problem is they can not get any easier or else the Feds take over

Regards

[TEDDY]

thats like the AG in Mass,he makes the rules not the legislation.but the laws need to be writen so there is no chance of mixed interpitations.
can you have right to vote and be refused your 2nd.check amendment 14/15.

[KsThumper]

I just wish Coloradans had been this alert and energetic when Colorado changed its law so that non-resident CCWs from other States would no longer be recognized.

Way too many things are a-changing as more Kalifornian's move into Boulder, Broomfield, Denver and Arapahoe Counties.

Voters in the other 60 Colorado counties need to regain the momentum.

The state is turning Blue because of attitude - not altitude.

[Wildalaska]

So what lesson do we learn here in the area of gun laws:


Ah yes....Gun Laws can only be interpreted when the interpretation is in accord with the views of the most radical gun owners, otherwise, the mere act of interpertation is invalid

or alternative...Laws should be interpreted not on what they say, but on what folks what them to say...

Guess thats how we get stuff like Roe v wade...but hey as long as it aint your ox gettting gored

WildtheagofwyomingshouldbefiredforbackingdownAlaska TM

[Aguila Blanca]

Originally Posted by Wildalaska

Constitutionally, denial of reciprocity to carry a pistol is not an "infringement" of rights.

Constitutionally, the entire concept of licenses or permits to carry weapons, and thus the entire concept of "reciprocity," is indeed an infringement of rights. One does not need a license or a permit (or should not need, in this context) to exercise a "right." And a "right" is not subject to reciprocal recognition when one crosses state borders.

[Aguila Blanca]

Originally Posted by Harley Quinn

I believe there is another "Federal law" that allows all of those that are retired and fill the bill to carry, to be able to do so, in all states!

That would be the LEOSA law (Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004) -- formerly discussed under its bill heading as H.R. 218, I believe

[Wildalaska]

Constitutionally, the entire concept of licenses or permits to carry weapons, and thus the entire concept of "reciprocity," is indeed an infringement of rights.

Lets us know when the Supreme Court agrees with you. Perhaps you can have the guts to bring the issue to the forefont by CCWing in NYC or DC.

WildillcontributetoyourdefensefundAlaska TM

[Jarce]

Thankfully the founding fathers of these several states didn't think the way you do, Alaska, or they would have determined that the "king" lol would not "agree" with them wanting to do their own thing by avoiding taxation.

It appears, however, the "king" has made a comeback.