TheHighRoad.US - General Gun Discussions http://www.thehighroad.us/ Meet fellow forum members, find a common ground. Introduce new people to responsible firearm ownership. Posts must be related to firearms. en Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:17:05 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.thehighroad.us/images/misc/rss.jpg TheHighRoad.US - General Gun Discussions http://www.thehighroad.us/ Mayors and guns to Mexico: The Evergreen Connection http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420214&goto=newpost Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:24:27 GMT

It's more of the same old same old from the anti-RKBA media.

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Mayors and guns to Mexico: The Evergreen Connection

"According to a new report from the anti-gun Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG), from 2006 through 2008, Washington State was the source of 241 firearms recovered by Mexican authorities in relation to the bloody drug wars ripping that country...

"...Wilbur left KVI last fall, but he has been on this week substituting for the afternoon host at rival KTTH (770 on the AM dial) and we believe there is something he ought to know. A self-confessed resident of Duvall in east King County, his mayor is an MAIG member, according to the group’s website.

So, also, are the mayors of Auburn, Chewelah, Connell, Des Moines, Dupont, Ferndale, Kalama, Mesa, Millwood, Morton, Oakesdale, Pe Ell, Prosser, Seattle, Spokane and Tacoma..."

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...een-connection

Or try this:

http://tinyurl.com/262acom
]]> General Gun Discussions csmkersh http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420214 So are you going to stand with this Grandma when they come to take her guns? http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420211&goto=newpost Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:00:31 GMT This video is only effective if you watch it to the end... ]]> General Gun Discussions JackBurtonJr http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420211 <![CDATA[How Do YOU Clean Scope Lens's?]]> http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420204&goto=newpost Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:58:38 GMT Fella's;

The title pretty much says it all. I know some people, in the misguided pursuit of cleanliness, have actually removed lens coatings with harsh solvents or too much elbow grease, or both. OTOH, not cleaning them at all can really affect not only light transmission, but accuracy too.

So, how do you go about this delicate, but necessary, little chore?

900F ]]> General Gun Discussions CB900F http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420204 Can America Afford An Absolute Right To Keep And Bear Arms? http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420199&goto=newpost Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:38:09 GMT I have always held an absolutionist view of the Second Amendment but lately I’ve been questioning that. I stand firmly behind the idea that if I can legally own a gun I should be able to carry it but I’m not sure if I still think back ground checks for the purchase of new guns is a bad idea.

I’ve always said that criminals don’t try to buy their guns from FFLs but I have to wonder is that because of the background check? If it is because of the background check then can’t it be said to be fulfilling its purpose? If the background check is in fact keeping criminals from getting guns from FFLs is it in society’s best interest to remove the background check in the name of second amendment absolutism?

My second ethical dilemma is on the topic of prohibited possessors. I’ve often said that mere possession of a firearm by anyone shouldn’t be a crime but this passage that was once considered for the second amendment

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That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense themselves, and their own State, and of the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and that no law shall be passed disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals; and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty they ought not to be kept up; and that the military shall be under strict subordination to and be governed by the civil power.
Makes it pretty clear that the founders didn’t intend criminals to be armed and felt that society should have the right to revoke an invidual's right to bear arms if they were considered " a real danger of public injury" Can we, as a society, afford an absolute right to bear arms? Should a known felon w/ a history of violent assaults be extended the right to bear arms? (Yes, I understand that in the founder’s world such a person would have been hung by the neck long since but that isn’t our reality)

The reality of our times is that most of the criminals in prison will not change their ways and will return to prison. It’s also realistic to assume that no gun law on the books is going to stop them from obtaining firearms but does the prohibited possessor category serve a purpose as a tool to get felons w/ guns of the street?

I already know the answer to that as I ask it because the laws aren’t enforced anyway but is the best solution to scrap the whole prohibited possessor law or enforce the hell out of it?

Given the reality of our times what solution works?

ETA
Is our society benefited more by keeping all firearms completely off the books ( no NICS period) or by having it even though it represents an infringment on the right to bear arms and could be (and probably is) misused for a back door gun registration ]]> General Gun Discussions Treo http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420199 Daley will not run for another term! http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420195&goto=newpost Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:46:02 GMT Woo hoo

Daley will not run for another term!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/us...y.html?_r=1&hp


...so maybe his anti gun hysteria will fade. ]]> General Gun Discussions chetth http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420195 John Lott on Radio Tonight http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420188&goto=newpost Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:58:54 GMT Prof. John Lott will be on the popular Coast to Coast AM radio show tonight. He is always worth listening to. Prof. John Lott will be on the popular Coast to Coast AM radio show tonight. He is always worth listening to. ]]> General Gun Discussions jmortimer http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420188 Kellermann admits to the political goal of his work, http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420186&goto=newpost Wed, 08 Sep 2010 00:04:57 GMT Apparently, the author of the famous "Kellermann Study" has finally admitted what we've been saying all along

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Is a firearm in your home "22 times more likely" to be used to kill or injure a family member than to be used for protection? Or "43 times more likely?" How about "18 times more likely?" Anti-gun groups and politicians say it is, citing research by Arthur L. Kellermann, M.D.

Dr. Kellermann's dubious conclusions provide anti-gunners propaganda they use to try to frighten Americans into voluntarily disposing of their guns—in essence, to do to themselves what the anti-gunners have been unable to do to them by legislative, regulatory, or judicial means.

Kellermann admits to the political goal of his work, saying "People should be strongly discouraged from keeping guns in their homes." ("Gun ownership as a risk factor for homicide in the home," New England Journal of Medicine, Oct. 1993.) Anti-gun groups have seized upon his most recent attempt in this regard, a "study" from which the bogus "22 times more likely" risk-benefit ratio is derived. ("Injuries and Deaths Due to Firearms in the Home," Journal of Trauma, Injury, Infection and Critical Care, Aug. 1998.) The study suffers numerous flaws common to previous Kellermann efforts, including the fact that it is a very small-scale survey of sample jurisdictions that are not representative of the country or even of one another.

Most significant, though, Kellermann severely understates defensive uses of guns, by counting only those in which criminals are killed or injured.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=11... ]]> General Gun Discussions Treo http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420186 NY: Defend your home and family, go to jail. http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420185&goto=newpost Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:58:06 GMT I thought I had it bad here in Kalifornia http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/09/07/long-island-man-arrested-for-defending-home-with-ak-47/ I thought I had it bad here in Kalifornia http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/09/...me-with-ak-47/ ]]> General Gun Discussions jmortimer http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420185 <![CDATA[Is this what Washington Post calls 'sensible' gun regulation? - Dave Workman]]> http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420179&goto=newpost Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:25:21 GMT


This "sensible" gun regulation has two possible results.
  1. those in need of help won't seek it because of the government's heavy handed actions.
  2. The loss of the rights as a citizen they fought to preserve.

Is this ethical behavior by our government?

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Is this what Washington Post calls 'sensible' gun regulation?

“Sensible and much needed gun regulations,” eh? Perhaps the Post means regulations like the one now stripping a decorated Iraq combat veteran of his Second Amendment rights...

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...gun-regulation

or try this:

http://tinyurl.com/27q53ap
]]> General Gun Discussions csmkersh http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420179 Arizona does it right... http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420178&goto=newpost Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:45:29 GMT "People in Arizona carry guns," said Detective David Ramer, a Chandler police spokesman. "You better be careful about who you are picking on." ]]> General Gun Discussions JackBurtonJr http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420178 Today in History September 7th http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420176&goto=newpost Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:33:08 GMT 1876 – In Northfield, Minnesota, Jesse James and the James-Younger Gang attempt to rob the town’s bank but are surrounded by an angry mob and are... 1876 – In Northfield, Minnesota, Jesse James and the James-Younger Gang attempt to rob the town’s bank but are surrounded by an angry mob and are nearly killed. These citizens took the law into their own hands. They should have waited for professional law enforcement intervention. ]]> General Gun Discussions vonKrag http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420176 Three new posters http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420175&goto=newpost Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:48:31 GMT Image: http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/37931-4/ashley_sword_5630.jpg Image: http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/37928-2/stop_tyrants_5685.jpg Image:...



]]> General Gun Discussions Oleg Volk http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420175 Remington experience http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420169&goto=newpost Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:52:56 GMT Bought a new Remington 700VTR in 223rem last fall. After much monkeying around with loads, etc. the best I could pull out of the rifle was about... Bought a new Remington 700VTR in 223rem last fall. After much monkeying around with loads, etc. the best I could pull out of the rifle was about 1.125".

I tried through Remington's website to get a response on what they could do, but could not get them to respond.

Finally had my gunsmith send it in. Three weeks later its back with a new barreled action. At least the trigger did not need reworked.

The target that came back with the gun showed a group of 1.46"......:(

Good thing I bought a Savage to work with until the 700VTR gets figured out. The Savage is a 12FCV. General fit and finish is better than the Remington. When I look in with the bore scope the Remington's bore and throat look better, but the Savage is settling in around 5/8", so looks aren't everything. ]]> General Gun Discussions oldfortyfiveauto http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420169 At the BLM today... http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420168&goto=newpost Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:35:53 GMT My wife, daughter and I went out to the BLM today for some informal target practice and clay shooting. The place we went is a sandy pit where I have... My wife, daughter and I went out to the BLM today for some informal target practice and clay shooting. The place we went is a sandy pit where I have been shooting for 15 years. The sand had turned to moon dust, but it was a still day, warm and sunny. We thought it would be fun.

And for the first hour it was; we got some good shooting in. There were some other folks shooting at the next ridge over, and I could hear some ATVs in the background, but they generally keep their distance while we are shooting.

Then came the problem. This person of questionable intelligence comes flying up on us on an ATV, and cruises right between me and my targets. That upset me a little. So the guy keeps doing this, and the third time around I walk out to his path to wave him down and politely ask him to not dust us out. There are miles of good trails, and only a few safe shooting pits. I figured a rational person would understand and go somewhere else.

But the guy does not stop, just yells at me "Get a bleeping toothbrush!" and then he is going past constantly while I pack up the range toys to leave.

I am still so incredibly angry that I don't know what to do. There was nothing to be done. I am careful to share the public lands and not cause an inconvenience to others trying to use it, but this guy just wanted to cause trouble.

I am still not sure what he thought he would accomplish by screaming obscenities at a man with a gun in his hand, while my wife and daughter are right there.

I just needed to vent, but this is retarded ]]> General Gun Discussions jpsimms http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420168 The Consideration of Beauty http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420167&goto=newpost Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:20:50 GMT I decided: practicality has ruled me for long enough. Enough with the plastic 15-round semi-autos and the G10-scaled tactical folders. ... I decided: practicality has ruled me for long enough. Enough with the plastic 15-round semi-autos and the G10-scaled tactical folders.

Practicality has its place. But who speaks for beauty?

I have never before owned a "working" nickeled gun. But this is my new carry gun:


Carrying a practical piece is comforting. However, those looking to be inspired may have to reach elsewhere--and I have.

:) ]]> General Gun Discussions Loosedhorse http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=420167